Dude339 2009-06-03 20:47:57

You don't have to discuss sad stuff on the web ya know?

OcarinaBlower 2009-06-03 21:11:03

Ahh well as long as you don't start judging us

SlashFirestorm 2009-06-03 21:25:31

No, he destroyed the city because it was full of assholes. Incidentally, the story of Lot is a VERY bad story to use in a discussion about morality, since the "good man" Lot offered his virgin daughters to be gang-raped rather than his houseguests. That counted as morality back then, but, uh, major culture change since then, and I'd argue that it's for the better?

And the famous "homosexuality is an abomination" passage is included in a long list of equally srs business rules that include being allowed to rape women as long as you pay their fathers for the damages and marry them, kill people who badmouth their parents, and eating seafood is consider to be just as much of an abomination as homosexuality---seriously.

Incidentally, the new covenant that Jesus made to Christians said that the old rules in the Old Testament no longer matter, since the only way to heaven is through believing in him, not following rules that Jesus himself recognized as being very dated two thousand years ago.

I'd also tell you to think for yourself, instead of getting your morality from a book written in the era of geocentrism and condoned rape, but I know I ain't gonna change your mind.

Chdonga 2009-06-03 21:59:15

Which makes me wonder, what is God's opinion on bisexuals?

Also watch as some atheists go on and bash on God and the bible.

SlashFirestorm 2009-06-03 22:40:02

Ah, the verses with a few dozen interpretations and written by Paul, not Jesus? Seeing as Paul went on to compare homosexuals (or rather, people who had sex with members of the same gender---there is a difference---with murderers, I'd think Paul was just trying to push his own prejudice on the Romans as opposed to the will of Jesus; one would also think that if Jesus cared about homosexuality so much he'd have brought it up himself.

And no, it's not part of the new covenant; the primary tenant of Christianity is that belief in God, not rules or good deeds, get one into heaven, and ignoring the ancient laws would not keep one out of it. I personally find it fucked up, but the idea is that anyone goes to heaven if they accept God's teachings, even if they're monsters prior to death.

A historical analysis of Jesus would suggest that he'd be in favor of gay rights, since he accepted other groups that were much more controversial at the time. Remember that sexual orientation as a concept didn't exist until relatively modern times, whereas adulterers (women adulterers, of course, men got a free pass) being forgiven would be seen as much more anti-status quo.

Christianity really has no beef with homosexuality, though fundamentalists like to selectively quote verses (ignoring the verses right before and after them) to push a political agenda. That's exactly why I renounced it.